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Sticky Topic   Hiya! :)

February 24, 2009

Just a little information about "Where Everybody Knows You're Numb":




This isn't a forum with lots of different sections -- it's a simple message board. That said, several of the threads here seem to have evolved, on their own, into themes of sorts -- as often happens on message boards.

There aren't any outlandish "rules" here. Just general, common sense kinds of things, typically expected in civil discourse. If you are lesbian, you are welcome to post here -- either as a registered member, (which has some perks via the hosting Sparklit software) or anonymously. You may even post anonymously and sign your name, if you like.

That's basically "it." Civil conversation about any and every thing, amongst women who happen to love women. So simple -- and yet, sometimes, so complicated... just like people.  

If you're a lesbian who'd like to join us, and are okay with being on a board where you can't find a man, we welcome you. biggrin


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Apparently, there exists some confusion.

This message board (Where Everybody Knows You're Numb) was created in September of 2008, and has absolutely no affiliation whatsoever with "Where Everybody Knows Your Name," also listed in the lesbian section of the Sparklit directory, and created in February of 2009. 


 





-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 at 13:22, 2009-02-27
STICKY: Hiya! :) (closed)

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No New Posts   merry christmas to all!

December 25, 2009

and a peaceful and prosperous new year!

Started By: Psych Lit

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No New Posts   My reply to TOS general

September 19, 2008

 
My post calling SunnyXXXXXXXXX a liar was in regard to this post wherein she falsely accused me of being an online sexual predator, and sending her emails "of a sexual nature" which were "offensive."
This is an utter lie, one of many from SunnyXXXXXXXX, designed purely to discredit me, and a lie I feel entitled to rebut. I have never sent this woman an email of any nature. I have demanded she recant the lie, but SunnyXXXXXXXX refuses to so do.
If I must discontinue posting on that message board, so be it.
If SunnyXXXXXXXX is "permitted" to post felonious lies about me, I feel quite justified in (truthfully) calling her a liar, and demanding she retract such lies.


-- Edited by Nightowlhoot3 at 15:07, 2008-09-19

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No New Posts   graduation....

September 5, 2009


Why do we, as parents, work so hard to raise our children? The days are long; the nights even longer. It is a never ending list of cleaning, teaching, playing, guiding, worrying, and huge financial outlays. There are rewards: hugs, kisses, smiles, laughter, and presents of frogs and flowers. We do it, in part, for the milestones. The events along the way that make parents swell with pride, such as, a child's first word and steps, first day of school, first date, getting a driver's license and graduating. One of these happened to me last night, an event, a milestone, a memory, that I will carry in my heart and mind forever -- my son's graduation.

I arrive early to find the auditorium filled with anticipatory excitement. Then as the instruments of the orchestra begin to dance over the notes to "Pomp and Circumstance," all eyes turn expectantly to the doors through which the graduates will emerge. My eyes eagerly scan the young people striding past my aisle seat, when, with a sharp intake of breath, I see my boy.I find my mind floating back to that day, so long ago and yet just yesterday. I see myself holding this wee little man, only hours old, not counting fingers and toes, but gazing at the face of a little stranger staring back at me. I look intently trying to see the face of the person he will become and with my eyes locked with his, I realize I am totally, completely in love. I continue to watch the procession of graduates and I find I slip back in time again. This time three years old and my energe tic little fellow is busy drawing with chalk. I sit on the ground to watch my little Picasso and relax. When he is done, his little voice calls me to come see his creations. There among the scribble is CIV. My amazing son has just written his name for the first time. I swell with amazement and pride. Suddenly, my boy is fifteen and I am in the car as a passenger this time. It feels weird and I look at my son happily pocketing his freshly minted learner's permit. He prepares to drive us home and I tell myself to relax as I discretely clutch the door handle. He does so well that I am surprised when he tell me he is nervous too.

Much of the rest of the ceremony is blur for me. The speeches are just bits and pieces, interspersed with my musings. What will the future hold? What will he become? I catch my breath as I realize this is the exact thing I wondered about seventeen and a half years ago. I am snapped back to the present. Names are being called. I see my son stand and get in line for his turn to walk across the stage. Both of us waiting, waiting. I start the video as he begins his climb up the steps and then the announcement of his name. The clapping surrounds me but I hardly hear it. My eyes are only on my boy. He walks so tall and proud. I feel the swell of love in my chest and tears of pride sting my eyes. Afterward, the recessional begins and young men and women begin the walk to embark on their new lives as adults. I watch with all the other families until the very last one has gone out of the auditorium. Now it is time to follow them out and search through the throng of bodies to find my son. I finally spot him and join the rest of the families taking pictures in all the various configurations of graduate and family. The best picture is saved for last, just me and my boy. My son hands me the flower that had been given to him on stage. I take it as my eyes tear up again, I hug him and whisper in his ear, "I love you." For this, I have waited for seventeen and a half years. A memory I will cherish for a lifetime.

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No New Posts   good reads

August 25, 2009

someone sent me this link tonight and its chock full of interesting speakers. enjoy

http://www.ted.com/

Started By: Psych Lit

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No New Posts   This is an outrage!

July 9, 2009


How does this happen in 2009?


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No New Posts   wheres evan?

August 25, 2009

ok so youre looking for a novel way to make the rent money this month and here it is! all you have to do is find this dude and 5k will be yours!
i seriously think i know where he is. i seriously think its too much trouble to find out. money has, alas, never been a motivator for me. anyway have fun and if you find him i expect to be taken out to lunch:)

http://www.wired.com/vanish/2009/08/author-evan-ratliff-is-on-the-lam-locate-him-and-win-5000/

Started By: Psych Lit

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No New Posts   its either this or suing your alma mater

August 11, 2009

American Graduates Finding Jobs in China

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Shiho Fukada for The New York Times

Mick Zomnir, 20, a rising junior at M.I.T., landed a summer internship at JFP in Beijing.

Published: August 10, 2009

BEIJING Shanghai and Beijing are becoming new lands of opportunity for recent American college graduates who face unemployment nearing double digits at home.

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Shiho Fukada for The New York Times

Joshua Arjuna Stephens, a 2007 graduate of Wesleyan University, works in Beijing for XPD Media, which makes online games.

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Even those with limited or no knowledge of Chinese are heeding the call. They are lured by Chinas surging economy, the lower cost of living and a chance to bypass some of the dues-paying that is common to first jobs in the United States.

Ive seen a surge of young people coming to work in China over the last few years, said Jack Perkowski, founder of Asimco Technologies, one of the largest automotive parts companies in China.

When I came over to China in 1994, that was the first wave of Americans coming to China, he said. These young people are part of this big second wave.

One of those in the latest wave is Joshua Arjuna Stephens, who graduated from Wesleyan University in 2007 with a bachelors degree in American studies. Two years ago, he decided to take a temporary summer position in Shanghai with China Prep, an educational travel company.

I didnt know anything about China, said Mr. Stephens, who worked on market research and program development. People thought I was nuts to go not speaking the language, but I wanted to do something off the beaten track.

Two years later, after stints in the nonprofit sector and at a large public relations firm in Beijing, he is highly proficient in Mandarin and works as a manager for XPD Media, a social media company based in Beijing that makes online games.

Jonathan Woetzel, a partner with McKinsey & Company in Shanghai who has lived in China since the mid-1980s, says that compared with just a few years ago, he was seeing more young Americans arriving in China to be part of an entrepreneurial boom. Theres a lot of experimentation going on in China right now, particularly in the energy sphere, and when people are young they are willing to come and try something new, he said.

And the Chinese economy is more hospitable for both entrepreneurs and job seekers, with a gross domestic product that rose 7.9 percent in the most recent quarter compared with the period a year earlier. Unemployment in urban areas is 4.3 percent, according to government data.

Grace Hsieh, president of the Yale Club in Beijing and a 2007 graduate, says she has seen a rise in the number of Yale graduates who have come to work in Beijing since she arrived in China two years ago. She is working as an account executive in Beijing for Hill & Knowlton, the public relations company.

Sarabeth Berman, a 2006 graduate of Barnard College with a major in urban studies, initially arrived in Beijing at the age of 23 to take a job that would have been difficult for a person her age to land in the United States: program director at BeijingDance/LDTX, the first modern dance company in China to be founded independently of the government.

Ms. Berman said she was hired for her familiarity with Western modern dance rather than a knowledge of China. Despite my lack of language skills and the fact that I had no experience working in China, I was given the opportunity to manage the touring, international projects, and produce and program our annual Beijing Dance Festival.

After two years of living and working in China, Ms. Berman is proficient in Mandarin. She travels throughout China, Europe and the United States with the dance company.

Willy Tsao, the artistic director of BeijingDance/LDTX, said he had hired Ms. Berman because of her ability to make connections beyond China. I needed someone who was capable of communicating with the Western world.

Another dynamic in the hiring process, Mr. Tsao says, is that Westerners can often bring skills that are harder to find among the Chinese.

Sarabeth is always taking initiative and thinking what we can do, he said, while I think the more standard Chinese approach is to take orders. He says the difference is rooted in the educational system. In Chinese schools students are encouraged to be quiet and less outspoken; it fosters a culture of listening more than initiating.

Mr. Perkowski, who spent almost 20 years on Wall Street before heading to China, says many Chinese companies are looking to hire native English speakers to help them navigate the American market.

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No New Posts   i wonder how many come back later?

July 28, 2009

City Aids Homeless With One-Way Tickets Home

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Michelle V. Agins/The New York Times

Justin Little and Eugenia Martin, with Inez, returned to North Carolina after only a few days when relatives paid their back rent.


Published: July 28, 2009

They are flown to Paris ($6,332), Orlando ($858.40), Johannesburg ($2,550.70), or most frequently, San Juan ($484.20).

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Michelle V. Agins/The New York Times

Hector Correa and Elisabeth Mojica were at Kennedy Airport on Tuesday to fly home to Puerto Rico, to stay with her father.


They are not executives on business trips or couples on honeymoons. Rather, all are families who have ended up homeless, and all the plane tickets are courtesy of the city of New York (one-way).

The Bloomberg administration, which has struggled with a seemingly intractable problem of homelessness for years, has paid for more than 550 families to leave the city since 2007, as a way of keeping them out of the expensive shelter system, which costs $36,000 a year per family. All it takes is for a relative elsewhere to agree to take the family in.

Many of them are longtime New Yorkers who have come upon hard times, arrive at the shelters doorstep and jump at the offer to move at no cost. Others are recent arrivals who are happy to return home after becoming discouraged by the citys noise, the mazelike subway, the difficult job market or the high cost of housing.

I didnt expect the city to be the way it is, said Hector Correa, who was in a homeless shelter last week and flew home to Puerto Rico on Tuesday. I was expecting something different, something better.

Mr. Correa and his companion, Elisabeth Mojica, and their two young sons, both also named Hector, arrived in New York in May to live with his mother. But after they failed to find jobs and the bills began to mount, his mother threatened to kick them out. Out of cash, they checked into the city intake center for homeless families in the Bronx.

The person I spoke to in the shelter informed me that if I have a person I could stay with in Puerto Rico, that I could get help to go, said Mr. Correa, who worked as a mechanic in Carolina, on the north shore of the island. They will stay with Ms. Mojicas father. I feel very happy because Im going to be able to get back to do the things that I know how to do, he said.

At the intake center, social workers ask families about their housing options in other places. If a family says that they have relatives who might be willing to take them in, and social workers confirm their report, the family could be on a plane, bus or train within hours, although the city will sometimes wait a few days to avoid the expense of last-minute fares. The Correas flew to San Juan for less than $1,000.

The city, which spends $500,000 a year on the program, employs a local travel agency, Austin Travel, to book one-way tickets for domestic trips. Department of Homeless Services employees do all the planning for international travel.

City officials said there were no limits on where a family can be sent, and families can reject the offer and stay in city shelters. So far, families have been sent to 24 states and 5 continents, most often to Puerto Rico, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas.

We want to divert as many families as we can that need assistance, said Vida Chavez-Downes, the director of the Resource Room, a city office with 11 social workers, two managers and an administrative assistant who help relocate families. We have paid for visas, weve gone down to the consulate, weve provided letters, weve paid for passports for people to go. Anyone who comes through our door.

One family with 10 children accepted an offer to go to Puerto Rico on a nonstop JetBlue flight. An adventurous but ultimately unlucky Michigan couple drove to the city in search of jobs and a new life. They got $400 in gas cards to drive back.

One set of parents agreed to move to France with their three children to be with the mothers family. The $6,332 travel cost included five plane tickets to Paris and five train tickets to the town of Granville, in the northwest.

In the past, the city contracted with the Salvation Army for a now-defunct program called Homeward Bound, but only for single adults and couples, not families with children. Both versions followed the example of Travelers Aid, a 150-year-old nonprofit organization that provides stranded and homeless people emergency aid so they could return to their homes, and which still exists today. Other cities have experimented with similar programs, but they are largely focused on adults without children.

The Hawaii Legislature recently rejected a plan to send homeless people on one-way flights to live with relatives on the mainland, because of the cost.

Once a family leaves New York, homeless services officials say they follow up with a phone call to make sure they arrive safely, then make a few more calls over the next two to three weeks. In rare cases, they will advance the family up to four months rent, a one-month security deposit, a furniture allowance and a brokers fee.

City officials said that none of the families that have been relocated have returned to city shelters.

The program fails to address the underlying problems that brought the families here in the first place, said Arnold S. Cohen, the president and chief executive of the Partnership for the Homeless, an advocacy group in New York.

The city is engaged in cosmetics, Mr. Cohen said. What were doing is passing the problem of homelessness to another city. Were taking people from a shelter bed here to the living room couch of another family. Essentially, this family is still homeless.

Sometimes the journey to and from New York is quick. Justin Little and Eugenia Martin, both 20, owed back rent on their apartment in Fayetteville, N.C., so they came to New York on Saturday with their 5-month-old, Inez. They planned to stay in shelters while they looked for jobs, and went straight to the intake center.

Then relatives of Mr. Little, who worked at a telephone center serving insurance customers, scraped up enough money to pay their back rent, and homeless services workers confirmed that his mother would be around to help. By Monday night, they were waiting outside Gate 73 at the Port Authority Bus Terminal to board their 7:15 p.m. Greyhound to Greensboro.

We were going to come here and then find work, you know, because theres always work in New York, Ms. Martin said, as Inez bounced on her knee.

Mr. Little said, Once we found out we could keep our apartment, there was no point in staying here, because I can go back to my job in North Carolina.

Started By: Psych Lit

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No New Posts   "you have more gay life where the laws exist against it."

August 4, 2009

Beirut, the Provincetown of the Middle East

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Bryan Denton for The New York Times

Dancing goes on until dawn at Acid, one of the citys best-known gay clubs.

Published: August 2, 2009

THE pre-party began at 9 p.m. in Bertho Maksos room at the Bella Riva Suite Hotel, and by 9:05 p.m. the air was awash in cologne, hair spray, cigarette smoke and gossip about the night ahead. Would a certain 20-something from West Beirut be at the beach party? Had the two men from Cairo arrived yet? Was the cute D.J. from Bardo, a gay bar here, going to be spinning? And did anyone need condoms?

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The last question came from Bertho, a 28-year-old Lebanese tour operator who was the host of the main event that Thursday night in June: the Bear Arabia Mega Party, at the Oceana resort about 30 minutes south of Beirut. Scores of gay men most of them bears, a term used the world over for heavyset, hairy guys usually older than 30 were coming from across Lebanon and the Arab world, as well as Argentina, Italy, Mexico, the United States and elsewhere. Bertho had been picking them up at the Beirut airport since morning, and he looked exhausted as he handed out fistfuls of condoms to the dozen men in the room.

So many questions today about what gay Beirut is like, he told me. Im just like, Wait and see, youll like it, youll like it!

Tipping back a Red Bull on the sofa was Roberto Boccia, who was in from Rome for the event. In his 40s, wearing a white T-shirt and khaki shorts, Roberto said he was surprised by the brio of Beirut compared with gay life in Rome, and said he was going to spread the word back home. Some of my friends are still scared to come here, because of the wars, and because its harder to be gay here than in Europe, he said. But I say, we have to win this. Were gay, we overcome things.

At that moment Berthos boyfriend, Rob, a very young Justin Timberlake look-alike, stumbled in from a side bedroom. He lifted his T-shirt, which read Maniac 65, to show off a sliver of his toned, tanned torso, and flashed a dazzling smile.

The room went quiet.

O.K., Bertho said to no one in particular, we should probably leave soon.

While homosexual activity (technically, sexual relations that officials deem unnatural) is illegal in Lebanon, as in most of the Arab world, Beiruts vitality as a Mediterranean capital of night life has fueled a flourishing gay scene albeit one where men can be nervous about public displays of affection and where security guards at clubs can intercede if the good times turn too frisky on the dance floor. But even more than the partying, Beirut represents a different Middle East for some gay and lesbian Arabs: the only place in the region where they can openly enjoy a social life denied them at home.

Asu, a 35-year-old gay man visiting from Damascus who, like many men interviewed in Beirut, asked that his surname not be published said that only two close friends in Syria knew that he was gay and that there were no bars, clubs or cafes in Damascus where gay Syrians felt at ease.

I thought I would meet other gay men at university in Syria, but it didnt happen, and then I thought as an adult man living in Damascus that it would happen, but it hasnt, said Asu, who was nursing a club soda at Wolf, a gay-friendly bar near the American University in Beirut. Im 35 years old. I feel very lonely at home. Theres only the Internet for me, to e-mail with other gay men. The Internet, and Beirut. I try to come here every year now, because it is a relief.

While homophobia is not a rampant problem in Jordan, according to Abdul-Azeem, a gay man from Amman, he has not found enough openness to start a relationship with a man. Instead, he said, he has been dating a Beirut man long-distance for the last nine months.

We met on my last trip here, said Abdul-Azeem, who is 25, and spoke during a visit to the new Beirut Arts Center on a 90-degree afternoon in June. I hope we will be in love in the future. But I had to travel here to find a man who maybe I will love. I wish we were together every day.

Gay life in this city is still inching out of the shadows, to be sure, but it seems to have developed a steady forward momentum since the end of Lebanons 15-year civil war in 1990 and especially in the calm that has followed the brief 2006 war between Hezbollah forces and Israel.

Bars have opened, and old ones are into their fifth or sixth year of sponsoring annual parties and music festivals. Some yacht clubs and hotel pools have gained a reputation as popular spots for gay men to hang out and flirt. Internet chat sites like Manjam (www.manjam.com), self-described as a gay social network for dating, work and travel, have taken off; several gay men here had no inhibitions telling me their Manjam profile screen names. And, by anecdotal accounts, gay men and women from other Arab countries and the West are increasingly vacationing here a choice that is all the more sexy and thrilling for some because they feel they are living on the edge and discovering a gay culture that is freshly evolving.

During the mid-1990s, a few small cafes in Beirut became popular gathering places for gay men not only for groups of friends, but also for men who had chatted on the Internet and wanted to arrange a safe place to meet. One such spot, Café Sheikh Mankoush in the Hamra district, also installed computers that gay men used to chat online with others in Beirut, Bertho said.

In the years since, Lebanon has become one of the most liberal Arab counties when it comes to sexuality and sexual behavior, according to Michael T. Luongo, the editor of the 2007 book Gay Travels in the Muslim World, which was translated and printed in Arabic this summer by a Beirut publishing house, Arab Diffusion. (Travel guides to Beirut are not plentiful, particularly ones that might be helpful for gay and lesbian travelers, but one useful publication is A Hedonists Guide to Beirut, published by Hg2 Guides. It can be bought on Amazon for $14.78.)

Whats interesting is that the Arab areas that were once controlled by the French, like Lebanon, are the ones with laws against homosexuality, because the French felt comfortable talking about sex, Mr. Luongo said, while the areas controlled by the British didnt have those laws because they didnt talk about sex. As a result, flowing from that French history is a relative familiarity with homosexuality in places like Lebanon. You have more gay life where the laws exist against it.

 

http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/travel/02gaybeirut.html?ref=travel

No New Posts   One can only imagine

July 24, 2009

how much fun the reception was :)



 

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No New Posts   Our Daily Bread

June 21, 2009


The web site has petitions and advocacy for healthier child school lunches. I hope it comes to the theaters in my area so I can commune with those concerned. If not hopefully there will be a house showing at some point. I went to one for the documentary Gimmie Green which was done locally and made it to Sundance and, it was a very nice gathering. Gator


Food, Inc.


In theaters: June 12, 2009
Copyright © 2009 Magnolia Pictures





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In
Food, Inc., filmmaker Robert Kenner lifts the veil on our nations food
industry, exposing the highly mechanized underbelly thats been hidden
from the American consumer with the consent of our governments
regulatory agencies, USDA and FDA. Our nations food supply is now
controlled by a handful of corporations that often put profit ahead of
consumer health, the livelihood of the American farmer, the safety of
workers and our own environment. Food, Inc. reveals surprising and
often shocking truths about what we eat, how its produced, who we
have become as a nation and where we are going from here.



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No New Posts   the pot is expected to be sweetened in november but still can you beat this?

July 28, 2009

A new car for $5,550? More automakers throwing their own cash into 'clunkers' deals

oh and i love that you can trade in your old beamer:)
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A new car for a net price of $5,550? That's what Kia says that qualified 'clunker' drivers need only pay to own a new Spectra sedan.

Kia is among the growing list of automakers that are putting their own cash against "cash for clunkers" deals. That's the federal program that just began to offer drivers of older, gas-guzzling cars incentives of $3,500 or $4,500 to buy new, more fuel-efficient models.

Chrysler was the first to put its own cash against the deal. It matched the $4,500 that a buyer would receive if their older, gas-guzzling trade-in met the requirements to receive themaximum government incentive. Now, even luxury makers are jumping on board:

BMW is offering a $4,500 eco credit on both its new diesel models, the 335d sedan and X5 xDrive35d SUV. Like Chrysler, you don't have to have a qualifying clunker trade-in to get the BMW discount, but it sure helps to have both automaker and federal incentives. The only BMW diesel that qualifies for the federal dough is the 335d. At a base price of $43,900, it barely sneaks in under the government $45,000 price cap. The X5 has a base price of $51,200. Because both are diesels, they get better gas mileage than comparable gas engines.

Kia is advertising $3,500 of its own cash in addition to the government's $4,500 clunker money for buyers of the Spectra sedan. Since the car lists for $13,550, it figures between the two incentive pots that buyers could leave the lot with a new car for a net price of only $5,550.

No New Posts   i see dead people....

July 28, 2009

Has Wikipedia Created a Rorschach Cheat Sheet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/technology/internet/29inkblot.html?hp

Published: July 28, 2009

There are tests that have right answers, which are returned with a number on top in a red circle, and there are tests with open-ended questions, which provide insight into the test takers mind.

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Psychologists say Wikipedias entry jeopardizes the Rorschach tests usefulness.

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In June, Dr. James Heilman posted all 10 plates on the site, along with research about the most popular responses to each.


The Rorschach test, a series of 10 inkblot plates created by the Swiss psychiatrist Hermann Rorschach for his book Psychodiagnostik, published in 1921, is clearly in the second category.

Yet in the last few months, the online encyclopedia Wikipedia has been engulfed in a furious debate involving psychologists who are angry that the 10 original Rorschach plates are reproduced online, along with common responses for each. For them, the Wikipedia page is the equivalent of posting an answer sheet to next years SAT.

They are pitted against the overwhelming majority of Wikipedias users, who share the sites free culture ethos, which opposes the suppression of information that it is legal to publish. (Because the Rorschach plates were created nearly 90 years ago, they have lost their copyright protection in the United States.)

The only winners seem to be those for whom this issue has become personal, and who see this as a game in which victory means having their way, one Wikipedia poster named Faustian wrote on Monday, adding, Just dont pretend you are doing anything other than harming scientific research.

What had been a simmering dispute over the reproduction of a single plate reached new heights in June when James Heilman, an emergency-room doctor from Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, posted images of all 10 plates to the bottom of the article about the test, along with what research had found to be the most popular responses for each.

I just wanted to raise the bar whether one should keep a single image on Wikipedia seemed absurd to me, so I put all 10 up, Dr. Heilman said in an interview. The debate has exploded from there.

Psychologists have registered with Wikipedia to argue that the site is jeopardizing one of the oldest continuously used psychological assessment tests.

While the plates have appeared on other Web sites, it was not until they showed up on the popular Wikipedia site that psychologists became concerned.

The more test materials are promulgated widely, the more possibility there is to game it, said Bruce L. Smith, a psychologist and president of the International Society of the Rorschach and Projective Methods, who has posted under the user name SPAdoc. He quickly added that he did not mean that a coached subject could fool the person giving the test into making the wrong diagnosis, but rather render the results meaningless.

To psychologists, to render the Rorschach test meaningless would be a particularly painful development because there has been so much research conducted tens of thousands of papers, by Dr. Smiths estimate to try to link a patients responses to certain psychological conditions. Yes, new inkblots could be used, these advocates concede, but those blots would not have had the research the normative data, in the language of researchers that allows the answers to be put into a larger context.

And, more fundamentally, the psychologists object whenever diagnostic tools fall into the hands of amateurs who havent been trained to administer them. Our ethics code that governs the behavior of psychologists talks about maintaining test security, Steve J. Breckler, the executive director for science at the American Psychological Association, said in an interview. We wouldnt be in favor of putting the plates out where anyone can get hold of them.

Alvin G. Burstein, a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, wrote in an e-mail message that his preference was to have the images removed but that he did not think they would harm the psychological process.

The process of making sense of ones experience, he wrote, is gratifying. To take Rorschachs test is to make sense of ambiguity in the context of someone who is interested in how you do that.

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No New Posts   Sweden got talent

July 27, 2009



http://vodpod.com/watch/1548742-sweden-got-talent-naked-guys-dancing

What a hoot!

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No New Posts   bruno

July 11, 2009

ok, has anyone seen the movie? it was a toss up today bruno or public enemies. the latter won out tho if it were strictly up tp me i would have chosen bruno. public enemies was so so btw. i found myself getting a bit sleepy despite the massive gunfire! loved the female lead, played by marion cotillard.  shes the same woman who played edith piaf last year.  but back to bruno. it appears bruno has p is sed off a lot of gay men and im wondering if the criticism aimed at the movie as homophobic is to not understand the movie or if its real?

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No New Posts   these tech things have a way of coming true

July 26, 2009

Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/science/26robot.html?em
Published: July 25, 2009

A robot that can open doors and find electrical outlets to recharge itself. Computer viruses that no one can stop. Predator drones, which, though still controlled remotely by humans, come close to a machine that can kill autonomously.

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Impressed and alarmed by advances in artificial intelligence, a group of computer scientists is debating whether there should be limits on research that might lead to loss of human control over computer-based systems that carry a growing share of societys workload, from waging war to chatting with customers on the phone.

Their concern is that further advances could create profound social disruptions and even have dangerous consequences.

As examples, the scientists pointed to a number of technologies as diverse as experimental medical systems that interact with patients to simulate empathy, and computer worms and viruses that defy extermination and could thus be said to have reached a ****roach stage of machine intelligence.

While the computer scientists agreed that we are a long way from Hal, the computer that took over the spaceship in 2001: A Space Odyssey, they said there was legitimate concern that technological progress would transform the work force by destroying a widening range of jobs, as well as force humans to learn to live with machines that increasingly copy human behaviors.

The researchers leading computer scientists, artificial intelligence researchers and roboticists who met at the Asilomar Conference Grounds on Monterey Bay in California generally discounted the possibility of highly centralized superintelligences and the idea that intelligence might spring spontaneously from the Internet. But they agreed that robots that can kill autonomously are either already here or will be soon.

They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were developed. What could a criminal do with a speech synthesis system that could masquerade as a human being? What happens if artificial intelligence technology is used to mine personal information from smart phones?

The researchers also discussed possible threats to human jobs, like self-driving cars, software-based personal assistants and service robots in the home. Just last month, a service robot developed by Willow Garage in Silicon Valley proved it could navigate the real world.

A report from the conference, which took place in private on Feb. 25, is to be issued later this year. Some attendees discussed the meeting for the first time with other scientists this month and in interviews.

The conference was organized by the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence, and in choosing Asilomar for the discussions, the group purposefully evoked a landmark event in the history of science. In 1975, the worlds leading biologists also met at Asilomar to discuss the new ability to reshape life by swapping genetic material among organisms. Concerned about possible biohazards and ethical questions, scientists had halted certain experiments. The conference led to guidelines for recombinant DNA research, enabling experimentation to continue.

The meeting on the future of artificial intelligence was organized by Eric Horvitz, a Microsoft researcher who is now president of the association.

Dr. Horvitz said he believed computer scientists must respond to the notions of superintelligent machines and artificial intelligence systems run amok.

The idea of an intelligence explosion in which smart machines would design even more intelligent machines was proposed by the mathematician I. J. Good in 1965. Later, in lectures and science fiction novels, the computer scientist Vernor Vinge popularized the notion of a moment when humans will create smarter-than-human machines, causing such rapid change that the human era will be ended. He called this shift the Singularity.

This vision, embraced in movies and literature, is seen as plausible and unnerving by some scientists like William Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil, have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation.

Something new has taken place in the past five to eight years, Dr. Horvitz said. Technologists are replacing religion, and their ideas are resonating in some ways with the same idea of the Rapture.

The Kurzweil version of technological utopia has captured imaginations in Silicon Valley. This summer an organization called the Singularity University began offering courses to prepare a cadre to shape the advances and help society cope with the ramifications.

My sense was that sooner or later we would have to make some sort of statement or assessment, given the rising voice of the technorati and people very concerned about the rise of intelligent machines, Dr. Horvitz said.

The A.A.A.I. report will try to assess the possibility of the loss of human control of computer-based intelligences. It will also grapple, Dr. Horvitz said, with socioeconomic, legal and ethical issues, as well as probable changes in human-computer relationships. How would it be, for example, to relate to a machine that is as intelligent as your spouse?

Dr. Horvitz said the panel was looking for ways to guide research so that technology improved society rather than moved it toward a technological catastrophe. Some research might, for instance, be conducted in a high-security laboratory.

The meeting on artificial intelligence could be pivotal to the future of the field. Paul Berg, who was the organizer of the 1975 Asilomar meeting and received a Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1980, said it was important for scientific communities to engage the public before alarm and opposition becomes unshakable.

If you wait too long and the sides become entrenched like with G.M.O., he said, referring to genetically modified foods, then it is very difficult. Its too complex, and people talk right past each other.

Tom Mitchell, a professor of artificial intelligence and machine learning at Carnegie Mellon University, said the February meeting had changed his thinking. I went in very optimistic about the future of A.I. and thinking that Bill Joy and Ray Kurzweil were far off in their predictions, he said. But, he added, The meeting made me want to be more outspoken about these issues and in particular be outspoken about the vast amounts of data collected about our personal lives.

Despite his concerns, Dr. Horvitz said he was hopeful that artificial intelligence research would benefit humans, and perhaps even compensate for human failings. He recently demonstrated a voice-based system that he designed to ask patients about their symptoms and to respond with empathy. When a mother said her child was having diarrhea, the face on the screen said, Oh no, sorry to hear that.

A physician told him afterward that it was wonderful that the system responded to human emotion. Thats a great idea, Dr. Horvitz said he was told. I have no time for that.

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No New Posts   so heres a question for you

July 21, 2009

who would you like to see naked? 

im watching this story on tv about a sportscaster who was filmed thru a peephole in her hotel room and the vid was placed on the net.  some are now saying it was an inside job to get attention for her dying career tho who knows? id like to think that nobody is that desperate to stay in the headlines.

the pathology of peepholery aside, hearing this story made me think about seeing people naked. i guess the hormonal storm of youth has passed by long ago so that im not thinking of naked women every 12 seconds but hearing that story made me think of the whole idea of nakedness and eroticism of the healthy variety anyway and i wondered who i would like to see naked.


maybe martina navratilova. yes, i think id like to see martina naked. only if shes willing of course. that peephole stuff is beyond creepy. but her body seems real. the  fluffy types with the fake body parts? nah. thats all too  stepfordish to be attractive. at least imo

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No New Posts   If you're into this sorta thing

July 19, 2009




Woman Activity Tracker Woman Challenge - << womenshealth.gov


Set personal goals, public or private profile .... track progress. 

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No New Posts   GARDENING

March 14, 2009

Soooooooo... I built this (sorta) raised flowerbed, and filled it with soil and compost (in very mincing layers -- seven all told, I think) and it's just been sitting there for a long time, with just a couple of straggly vinca minors I salvaged from the eye candy for the neighborhood improvement dude" dressing last summer. I planted the others, but ... neighbor lady from hell (past tense, tg) and ... long story short, just like the hedges I planted, she ran over them and killed 'em all.

Whatever ...

So? Yesterday, without amending the soil at all (even though the fertilizer is RIGHT THERE in a sack in the flower bed) I just sprinkled a couple of purchased and gathered seeds, and then stuck the onions I'd bought awhile back in a row right down the middle.

Onions and flowers.  In one bed. smile Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's right.
"Texas sweet" onions. Didn't make the little hills or anything. Just poked my finger in the soil, and stuck 'em in.

I have a feeling the only thing sprouting in there this year will beplastic wrapped rawhide trees, rollingeyes but we'll see, I guess. 

Also "headed" a couple of blooms that'd seen better days, and tossed them on top, just for good measure. LOL.

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At least it provides a little color right now. biggrin Really, it's too late to be plantin' annuals here -- should have been done about a month ago, but can't do anything about that now. Doesn't look like anything today, but check back in a month or so, and who knows? Might be a virtual explosion of color! I'm crossing my fingers on the California poppy seeds I gathered from a field ... SHOULD take, but ya never know. They're very hardy here, but again ... I'm late on gettin' 'em in the ground, dangit.

But if nothing else, maybe I'll just grow some "hope" in that bed. Has to be better than just an empty ole 3 1/2' X 6 1/2' flowerbed, hey? P1130152.jpg

As I said: a month or two, and who knows?

Seems we're sort of on the tail end of our Spring here. It's supposed to be 90F in a couple of days. Should I ever see that plumber again, I think I'll be encouraging him to forget about the leaky pipe in the kitchen he just installed, and get on the water supply to my evap cooler, instead. I've been wearin' sleeveless shirts and very thin cotton pants all week, and it's still too warm for my taste. Lord, how I dread summer ...

I'm avoiding getting the pavers I know I need for a couple of sections in the back yard, because they so hold heat, but that cool deck stuff is way out of my price range, and the more I think about making stepping stones from a tree trunk, and research it, the more I wonder how ticked off I'd be the first time someone slipped on on of 'em and fell and hurt themselves. At least we don't have ice to worry about, though ...

Meanwhile, all my other, already-blossomed flowers are doing nicely, and I'm enjoying the morning java in their vicinity, with the fountain doing its best to provide a counterpart to the wind chimes. Note to self: need more windchimes --bamboo this time, I'm thinkin'.  I was in a Mexican import ... well, you could hardly call it a "store" since it was several buildings on a corner with TONS of stuff, but "shopping place" and fell in love with the bamboo wind chimes there. The tone was soooooooooo soothing.  

I discovered yesterday morning that its the finches around here who've been raiding my hummingbird feeder. I never KNEW a hummingbird who could suck down that stuff that fast, you know? Seemed every time I turned around, it was empty again! That's in the back yard ... I have the birdbath in the front yard, because I suspect the dog would be drinkin' all the water out of it, were it in the back. He's been pretty good about the fountain, though. It's really a tiny little fountain ... water is so precious here, and NOT CHEAP! Even so ... there's something about the sound of water gurgling...


Wondering what other people most enjoy about their outdoor spaces, and what, if anything, they're planting this year for either indoors or out.

 

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No New Posts   New here

July 16, 2009

I guess I will introduce myself.  My name is Lily.  I was directed here from another site.  I am going through a major life change and looking to reconnect with the lesbian community and for other women to communicate with.  Not quite ready to venture out yet, but being that there is not much of a gay community where I live, it's not even really an issue for me.  

I have popped in here a few times and it seems a bit quiet, but maybe that is because it is summer time.  Looking forward to getting to know all of you.  Take care. 

Lily

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No New Posts   HAARM

June 26, 2009

Inside HAARM: Late Night Brainstorming Session

HAARM is a work of parody by SEIU's Change That Works campaign. By submitting your information here, you are signing up to receive emails as part of our movement to fix health care.

There is some great parody on this site check it out and, if you are inclined lend them a little support. The videos on the site are great and some very funny, in a sad sick way. Gator
Next week's video: HAARM Across America: Protesting Health Care Reform

a salute to HAARM-ful heroes

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Rick Scott gave up a lucrative career as a health industry CEO after being forced to resign amidst the largest Medicare fraud settlement in history.* He went on to found Conservatives for Patients' Rights, a swiftboat-style campaign to kill Obamacare. He was even a featured speaker at his local Tea Party protest! Rick is one of our favorites.
* He was totally going to quit that job, anyway.

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Zach Wamp wears many different hats. He was elected to Congress by the people of Tennessee, but he spends most of his time running for governor and saying crazy things being awesome. He, like us, firmly believes health care is a privilege, not a right.

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Glenn Beck is ushering in a new era of fear mongering and histrionics every weeknight on his self-titled Fox News show. We basically wrote our health care platform by copy-and-pasting from transcripts of his show. Glenns hobbies include hunting for socialists, building giant props for his show, and crying.

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Betsey McCaughey served one term as Lieutenant Governor of New York under Governor Pataki, but was not invited back on the ticket when the Gov. sought re-election. Despite that little setback and a failed run for governor Betsey has established a lucrative career with the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank that receives massive funding from giant health care corporations. She is the go-to person when the health industry needs an op-ed article written in a major newspaper.

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The Chamber of Commerce is our secret weapon. When people think of the Chamber, they think of the business owners in their community. But what they dont know is that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a massive lobbying organization that spends most of its time fighting pro-consumer legislation and lining the pockets of giant corporations. The Chamber has been in the anti-health care reform game for years. Whenever we get blue, we check out this little sampling of their greatest hits over a glass of scotch. Cheers us right up.

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Most people know Rush Limbaugh as one of the countrys foremost experts on prescription drugs. But Rush is playing a much bigger role in the health care debate than that. Every day he educates his 20 million listeners on the finer points of Obamacare, like the little known tidbit that once this plan passes the government will be able to tell you not only what kind of car to drive but what kind of TV to purchase. Rush will never let the facts get in the way of scaring the bejeezus out of his listeners.

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John Goodman is the President and CEO of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a think tank dedicated to defeating Obamacare, ending the Family Medical Leave Act, and destroying Social(ist) Security. He also runs a cyber organizing operation called a "blog" that tells us everything we need to know about Obamacare at research time. Which is all to say, when it comes to health policy, hes the Dan to our Rosanne.




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No New Posts   viva le tour

July 4, 2009

and so begins one of the greatest sporting events of all time. Being there in person remains high on my 'to do' list. Deciding a venue(s) would be the challenge of a lifetime thou ... what a beautiful country.

Tour de France 2009


One of these years I'm doing it  :)

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No New Posts   michael jackson dead

June 25, 2009



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    The pop icon's career has gone from moonwalk to perp walk and back.

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There are conflicting reports about whether or not Michael Jackson has died. While the entertainment Web site TMZ.com has reported his death, the Los Angeles Times is reporting the pop star is in a coma and family have are arriving at his bedside. 

CBS News has not confirmed Jackson's death, but the Los Angeles Fire Department Thursday confirmed that he was rushed to UCLA Medical Center, reports KCBS in Los Angeles. 

Jackson was not breathing when paramedics arrived. 
Capt. Steve Ruda said paramedics responded to a call at Jackson's home around 12:26 p.m. The paramedics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda told The Los Angeles Times. 

The emergency entrance at the UCLA Medical Center, which is near Jackson's rented home, was roped off Thursday with police tape. 

News trucks were gathered, helicopters flew overhead, and orange cones were laid out to redirect traffic. 

"We have no statements as far as transporting Michael Jackson,'' Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Devin Gales said. 


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No New Posts   a good news bad news sort of day

June 25, 2009

the good news.  i was wogging with one of my daughters a couple of weeks ago and noticed a mole on her back that looked suspicious to me. the kid is red haired and very fair and as much as i have stomped the sunscreen message into her shes succumbed to the i want a tan thing just like everybody else her age. the bad news for her is that she has no health coverage. well, thats not exactly true since she purchased some after this discovery but they are charging her 1/4 of her income for it and it doesnt go into effect til mid july and even then she has to pay the first 2500. out of pocket. but the good news is that we went online and found a free skin cancer screening near to where she lives and i took her this afternoon and all is well. the mole in question is "normal". i still want her to have it removed dammit.  but the visions i was having of her spending the rest of her life paying for melanoma treatment, or worse, dying from not receiving adequate treatment, are soothed for the time being.  i really hope that this administration comes up with a health care plan soon. its the standard these days for employers to not offer coverage and so many people her age are without it. oh and did i mention that they raised her rates after acceptance because shes of child bearing age? yep, they raised the rates by 50 percent over the advertised price. blech.

the bad news is that my car wasnt so lucky. coming back from the y the other day it started making some serious metal on metal kinds of noise so i limped it home and had it towed to the mechanic. the good news here is that he only charged me 29 dollars to replace a belt and change the oil and diagnose the problem. the bad news is that the major problem is that the ac compressor went kaput because the belt broke and took out some small pin and it will be over a thou to fix it. this is the commuter car and its pushing 190k now so that kind of investment aint happening. the good news here is that it doesnt effect its drivability only the ac. so the choices im left with are to sell it and get a new one, or live with it and replace it by next summer or get a portable car ac and try that. the mechanic tells me that cabelas makes one that sells for 80 dollars tho he has no idea if they work or not. i wish there were solar car air conditioners. ive heard the new prius has a solar powered heating and ac system so maybe there is.  what i do know is that the humidity here has been so high that the thought of driving 75 miles each way to work without it in rush hour traffic is nausea inducing.  the good news tho is that the cash for clunker voucher program made it thru congress and should be available any day. im gonna look into this. i wonder how much a stripped prius costs? my jobs situations all seem a bit precarious these days tho so far so good but im reluctant to lease or take a car loan out but getting handed a voucher for 4500 seems too good to pass up. i agree with the guy in the saturn commercial who says that the ads by car companies to take back your car of you get laid off sounds like the worst day ever to him.  can you imagine that scenario?  heck id consider that saturn but i think the guy in the ad was laid off too when the saturn division folded:)

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No New Posts   im thinking they need to stop taking the philosophy courses

June 29, 2009

Parents Won't Say if Tot Is Boy or Girl

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(June 29) - A Swedish couple's decision to keep their toddler's gender a secret is stirring debate, especially now that the parents are expecting a second child.
"Pop" is 2 ½ years old, but so far only those who change the child's diapers know whether the youngster is a boy or a girl, TheLocal.se, an English-language site for Swedish news, said last week.
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Back in March, the parents gave an interview to the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, saying they decided not to reveal their child's sex because they believe gender is a social construction.
"We want Pop to grow up more freely and avoid being forced into a specific gender mold from the outset," said the childs mother, "Nora." (The paper used fake names for the entire family to protect their privacy.)
"It's cruel to bring a child into the world with a blue or pink stamp on their forehead," the mother said.
The parents, both 24 years old, said they never use personal pronouns when referring to the child. They just say "Pop."
The tot wears everything from dresses to pants, and Pop is usually the one who decides what to wear on any given morning. Pop's hairstyle is also changed on a regular basis, so it doesnt provide any clues.
Swedish gender equality expert Kristina Henkel told The Local that the experiment could make Pop a stronger person, since he or she wont be subject to gender stereotypes.
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"Girls are told they are cute in their dresses, and boys are told they are cool with their car toys. But if you give them no gender they will be seen more as a human or not a stereotype as a boy or girl," said Henkel.
But Toronto psychologist Susan Pinker, author of the book 'The Sexual Paradox,' said keeping a child's sex a secret is a really bad idea.
"Ignoring children's natures simply doesn't work," she said. "Child-rearing should not be about providing an opportunity to prove an ideological point, but about responding to each child's needs as an individual."
Pinker said the truth is bound to come out when Pop starts school. But Pop's parents say they will only reveal the childs sex when Pop decides it is time.
"The kid is too young to decide anything on its own. Someone please rescue the kid from its crazy parents," wrote one poster on The Local's comment boards.
But others thought the parents were doing the right thing.
"They're actually thinking about how they're raising their child rather than just going along with what society expects, which, in my opinion, is much better than the majority of people who raise their kids to fit their own vision of what they think their kids should be," another poster wrote.

No New Posts   resistance is futile...or is it?

July 2, 2009

U.S. Nuns Facing Vatican Scrutiny

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Mother Mary Clare Millea has been appointed by the Vatican to study the activities of some orders of nuns in the United States.


Published: July 1, 2009

The Vatican is quietly conducting two sweeping investigations of American nuns, a development that has startled and dismayed nuns who fear they are the targets of a doctrinal inquisition.

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Sister Sandra M. Schneiders has urged fellow nuns not to participate in the study that is being conducted by the Vatican.

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Nuns were the often-unsung workers who helped build the Roman Catholic Church in this country, planting schools and hospitals and keeping parishes humming. But for the last three decades, their numbers have been declining to 60,000 today from 180,000 in 1965.

While some nuns say they are grateful that the Vatican is finally paying attention to their dwindling communities, many fear that the real motivation is to reel in American nuns who have reinterpreted their calling for the modern world.

In the last four decades since the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, many American nuns stopped wearing religious habits, left convents to live independently and went into new lines of work: academia and other professions, social and political advocacy and grass-roots organizations that serve the poor or promote spirituality. A few nuns have also been active in organizations that advocate changes in the church like ordaining women and married men as priests.

Some sisters surmise that the Vatican and even some American bishops are trying to shift them back into living in convents, wearing habits or at least identifiable religious garb, ordering their schedules around daily prayers and working primarily in Roman Catholic institutions, like schools and hospitals.

They think of us as an ecclesiastical work force, said Sister Sandra M. Schneiders, professor emerita of New Testament and spirituality at the Jesuit School of Theology at Berkeley, in California. Whereas we are religious, were living the life of total dedication to Christ, and out of that flows a profound concern for the good of all humanity. So our vision of our lives, and their vision of us as a work force, are just not on the same planet.

The more extensive of the two investigations is called an Apostolic Visitation, and the Vatican has provided only a vague rationale for it: to look into the quality of the life of womens religious institutes. The visitation is being conducted by Mother Mary Clare Millea, an apple-cheeked American with a black habit and smiling eyes, who is the superior general of her order, the Apostles of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and lives in Rome.

In an interview in a formal sitting room at her orders United States headquarters in Hamden, Conn., Mother Clare said she had already met one-on-one with 127 superiors general of womens orders, many in that room but also in Chicago, Los Angeles, Rome and St. Louis. She is preparing questionnaires to send to each congregation of women and recruiting teams of investigators, mostly nuns and some priests, who will make visits to congregations that she selects. The visitation focuses only on nuns actively engaged in working in society and the church, not cloistered, contemplative nuns.

Mother Clares task is to prepare a confidential report to the Vatican on the state of each of about 340 qualified congregations of nuns in the United States, as well as a summary with her recommendations, all of which she hopes to complete by mid-2011.

The investigation was ordered by Cardinal Franc Rodé, head of the Vatican office that deals with religious orders. In a speech in Massachusetts last year, Cardinal Rodé offered barbed criticism of some American nuns who have opted for ways that take them outside the church.

Given this backdrop, Sister Schneiders, the professor in Berkeley, urged her fellow sisters not to cooperate with the visitation, saying the investigators should be treated as uninvited guests who should be received in the parlor, not given the run of the house. She wrote this in a private e-mail message to a few friends, but it became public and was widely circulated.

Mother Clare said she was aware that some womens institutes werent happy to hear of the visitation, but that so far about 55 percent had responded in person or in writing.

Its an opportunity for us to re-evaluate ourselves, to make our reality known and also to be challenged to live authentically who we say we are, she said.

Each congregation of nuns will be evaluated based on how well they are living in fidelity both to their congregations own internal norms and constitution, and to the churchs guidelines for religious life, Mother Clare said. For instance, if a congregations stated mission is to serve youth, are the nuns doing that? If they do not live in a convent, are they attending Mass and keeping the sacraments? Are their superiors exercising adequate supervision?

Theres no intention to make us all identical, she said.

Church historians said that the Vatican usually ordered an apostolic visitation when a particular institution had gone seriously astray. In the wake of the priest sexual-abuse scandal, the Vatican ordered a visitation of American seminaries. It is now conducting a visitation of the Legionaries of Christ, a mens order whose founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, sexually abused young seminarians, fathered a child and was accused of financial improprieties. He died in 2008.

But the investigation of American nuns surprised many because there was no obvious precipitating cause.

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July 2, 2009

Indian Court Overturns Gay Sex Ban

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Gay rights activists celebrated during a rally in New Delhi on Thursday after the citys highest court decriminalized homosexuality.


Published: July 2, 2009

NEW DELHI In a landmark ruling Thursday that could usher in an era of greater freedom for gay men and lesbians in India, New Delhis highest court decriminalized homosexuality.


The inclusiveness that Indian society traditionally displayed, literally in every aspect of life, is manifest in recognizing a role in society for everyone, judges of the Delhi High Court wrote in a 105-page decision, Indias first to directly address rights for gay men and lesbians. Those perceived by the majority as deviants or different are not on that score excluded or ostracized, the decision said.

Homosexuality has been illegal in India since 1861, when British rulers codified a law prohibiting carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal. The law, known as Section 377 of Indias penal code, has long been viewed as an archaic holdover from colonialism by its detractors.

Clearly, we are all thrilled, said Anjali Gopalan, the executive director and founder of the Naz Foundation, an AIDS awareness group that sued to have Section 377 changed.

It is a first major step, Ms. Gopalan said during a news conference in Delhi, but there are many more battles.

Thursdays decision applies only in the territory of Indias capital city, but it is likely to force Indias government either to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court, or change the law nationwide, lawyers and advocates said.

Outside the hall where the Naz Foundation news conference was held, dozens of young men and women gathered to celebrate, along with a group of hijras, men who dress and act like women who classify themselves as belonging to neither gender. It is a victory of human rights, not just of gay rights, said one 22-year-old man who only identified himself as Manish.

Gay men and women have rarely been prosecuted under Section 377 in India in modern times, but it has been used to harass, blackmail and jail people.

Britain legalized homosexuality in England and Wales in 1967, but many of its former colonies, including Singapore, Zimbabwe and Malaysia, still retain strict laws against same-sex relations.

Indias society is generally unwelcoming of homosexuality except in the most cosmopolitan circles. It is not uncommon for gay men and women to marry heterosexuals and have families, while carrying on secret relationships with members of the same sex.

In their decision, Chief Justice A. P. Shah and Justice S. Muralidhar declared Section 377, as it pertains to consensual sex among people above the age of 18, in violation of important parts of Indias Constitution. Consensual sex amongst adults is legal, which includes even gay sex and sex among the same sexes, they said.

The old law violates Article 14 of the Constitution, which guarantees all people equality before the law; Article 15, which prohibits discrimination on grounds of religion, race, caste, sex or place of birth; and Article 21, which guarantees protection of life and personal liberty, the judges said.

Acceptance of homosexuality has thawed somewhat in recent years in some urban areas. Gay pride parades in Indian cities last weekend attracted thousands of marchers, and several recent Bollywood movies, like Dostana, have included gay themes and characters, often played by Bollywoods biggest heterosexual stars.

Still, the decision was condemned from many corners in India. This is wrong, said Maulana Abdul Khaliq Madrasi, a vice chancellor of Dar ul-Uloom, the main university for Islamic education in India. The decision to bring Western culture to India, he said, will corrupt Indian boys and girls.

The High Courts decision should be overturned, said Murli Manohar Joshi, the leader of the main opposition Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party. The High Court cannot decide all things, he said.

The ruling comes after a decade-long, broad-based campaign organized by gay rights advocates, authors, celebrities, lawyers and AIDS awareness groups from around the world. India has one of the worlds largest populations of people with AIDS, and Section 377 was viewed by many advocates as a hurdle to education about safer sex.

Now that the High Court has ruled against Section 377, some say the next step is a change in the way that society views gay people.

The real problem is still the stigma attached, especially outside big cities, said Ritu Dalmia, one of Indias best-known chefs, who lives with her girlfriend in New Delhi.

Change particularly needs to happen in rural India, she said in an e-mail message Thursday afternoon. I have met women who were forced to sleep with men so that they could be cured of homosexuality, she said.

Today is a historical moment where at least some tiny steps have been taken, but there is still a very, very long road ahead, she said.

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